Cam, throttle body, and intake question

[KC_StangDSG]

I have a couple of questions. I have thought about trying to get a little more hp out of the 302 that I have in my car and would like to know if anyone has any suggestions on a cam, it is stock right now and would like a different cam without having to change any of the heads or any of those other parts. I also am looking into a new intake with a new throttle body and wondering if anyone has any suggestions for that. I don't know much about the cams but a little about the intakes and throttle bodies. I appreciate any advice anyone has. Thanks guys.:mick:

[Aviator Stang]

I know that it would sound like a mean some beach if you put the cam in!:gt4her:

[Masshole]

IMO.... use the F303 for FMS :mick:

as for intake manifolds... it depends what you wanna do. the Cobra one is good. the GT40 is a better one or if you wanna be froggy... use either the Holley Systemax or the Trick Flow intake manifolds.

TB... you dont need no bigger then a 65MM.

[my86gt]

looks like dean gave you a few good one's there

[hatchdemon89]

Umm my set up is 302 stroker 306 gt40p heads are great ported 5angle valve job springs good up a 550lift f cam is great get the tubular gt40- intake an throttle body for now just go to the bone yard an get a 4.6 maf there 70mm better than our stock 55mm an ill help ya out with the fitment with that

[my86gt]

Umm my set up is 302 stroker 306 gt40p heads are great ported 5angle valve job springs good up a 550lift f cam is great get the tubular gt40- intake an throttle body for now just go to the bone yard an get a 4.6 maf there 70mm better than our stock 55mm an ill help ya out with the fitment with that

never heard of anybody doing that before

[hatchdemon89]

ah ha so i know something others dont lol if ur talkin about the maf

[my86gt]

ah ha so i know something others dont lol if ur talkin about the maf

yeah, never knew anybody doing that. are you just using the meter ?

[Dirty_SOHC]

IMO.... use the F303 for FMS :mick:

as for intake manifolds... it depends what you wanna do. the Cobra one is good. the GT40 is a better one or if you wanna be froggy... use either the Holley Systemax or the Trick Flow intake manifolds.

TB... you dont need no bigger then a 65MM.

Guess the first question would be what other mods do you have done already?

Stick with E cam for the street, it has decent chop at idle, decent low end performance, and it's emisions legal.

GT-40 or Cobra intake is perfect for your set up, combnined with a 65 MM TB, 24lb injectors, and contact pro-m for a matched mass ait meter.

[KC_StangDSG]

Guess the first question would be what other mods do you have done already?

Stick with E cam for the street, it has decent chop at idle, decent low end performance, and it's emisions legal.

GT-40 or Cobra intake is perfect for your set up, combnined with a 65 MM TB, 24lb injectors, and contact pro-m for a matched mass ait meter.

I haven't done any other mods to the engine, it is bone stock. Just wanted to get a little more power out of the engine without having to change out a whole bunch of parts, also have a good sound at idle as well. I will start to look around for some of those parts to get myself a list going of what I am going to need. Thanks for all the advice everyone. I still need to get a mass air meter, don't have one, but to have the harness to hook one up.

[Masshole]

I haven't done any other mods to the engine, it is bone stock. Just wanted to get a little more power out of the engine without having to change out a whole bunch of parts, also have a good sound at idle as well. I will start to look around for some of those parts to get myself a list going of what I am going to need. Thanks for all the advice everyone. I still need to get a mass air meter, don't have one, but to have the harness to hook one up.

upgrading your cam will be difficult w/o either having MAF or a really soild S/D tune.

[hatchdemon89]

Yea just the meter u find them on the crown vics an towncars easy to do just cut the ears off an grong down a lil with ur sensor will go easy upgrade an it cost me 5bucks an i sell em for like 50bucks on ebay sometimes

[hatchdemon89]

I meant grind down opps

[93volpe]

I've also heard that the "E" will give good sound at idle and will help out the gas mileage too... but it's a Mustang... gas mileage don't matter :) I heard about the 4.6 sensor as well.... fools the computer into dumping more fuel in from what I understand... haven't tried it yet but plan to...

[12second5.0]

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[12second5.0]

I wouldn't upgrade the cam until you upgrade the heads,intake and exhaust.You'd be suprised how fast i have seen people go 1/4 mile wise with the stock cam.

[KC_StangDSG]

My Dad has just recently said that he would help me upgrade the car. He used to drag race and asked if I would like to fix my car for a street/strip car and I said of course. He said that he would help me and it could be a project for him and I to work on. I think I may bore my 302 .030 over and make it a 306 and get some gt40 heads and upgrade some other stuff. Kind of excited...

[ssj50driver]

I wouldn't upgrade the cam until you upgrade the heads,intake and exhaust.You'd be suprised how fast i have seen people go 1/4 mile wise with the stock cam.

EXACTLY! plan on how much power you want when the project is done. No use in setting it up without knowing what you are shooting for: E.T., autox, powerhouse, etcetera... good luck with it though. Once you get around the 500 mark though stuff gets expensive. 400rwhp is a GREAT daily driver car. You could always do suspension work and learn to drive exceptional and see what it does at the track and mod as you go. I always say gears and exhaust first. the lower intake is the bottle neck of the system for now and then the heads. Good luck with whatever you do.:marcus:

[bahndrvr]

I went with a Edelbrock Performer RPM intake manifold, 1.6 roller rockers, and an E-cam all in one fell swoop on my first 95 and it I easily picked up 30-40 hp from that, I was running a 65mm FMS throttle body as well. If I remember correctly it picked up almost half a second in the quarter. I sold it before I got heads but that little setup I just talked about helped immensly, and it pulled hard for much longer instead of getting anemic at like 4800 it would pull to the rev limiter:)

Also, when you say your not running a MAF, are you just missing one or is your car speed density?

[12second5.0]

My Dad has just recently said that he would help me upgrade the car. He used to drag race and asked if I would like to fix my car for a street/strip car and I said of course. He said that he would help me and it could be a project for him and I to work on. I think I may bore my 302 .030 over and make it a 306 and get some gt40 heads and upgrade some other stuff. Kind of excited...

Unless your engine is shot there is no real reason IMO to bore it .030 over. I've seen people go 11.80's with the stock short block with the exception of cam.

[KC_StangDSG]

I went with a Edelbrock Performer RPM intake manifold, 1.6 roller rockers, and an E-cam all in one fell swoop on my first 95 and it I easily picked up 30-40 hp from that, I was running a 65mm FMS throttle body as well. If I remember correctly it picked up almost half a second in the quarter. I sold it before I got heads but that little setup I just talked about helped immensly, and it pulled hard for much longer instead of getting anemic at like 4800 it would pull to the rev limiter:)

Also, when you say your not running a MAF, are you just missing one or is your car speed density?

It is speed density...unfortunately, I don't know of any other way to get good hp improvement without changing out the computer and I am fairly new at the hp game so I don't know if there are parts to even improve on speed density computers.

[bahndrvr]

There are kits all over to convert to MAF and in your case its well worth it IMO. Go ahead and drop 200 bucks on the kit and hook it up, then make the intake, cam, and Rockers mod's and enjoy the new found power and higher breathing abilities:)

[Bulldog Stang]

His car already has the hook-ups for MAF, but I dont think the computer is the right one.

[KC_StangDSG]

His car already has the hook-ups for MAF, but I dont think the computer is the right one.

I do believe he is right, the car is a Frankenstein car...

[O'ranga'Stang]

thats kool that you and your dad are doing this project together!! yeah you need to convert it back to a mass air car ...although you are in a county that doesn't require emissions test. you could go carburerated but once again you will make more power going mass air and keeping the car injected. you may have said this already and i over looked it. have you bumped the timing? and if you do go mass air. get the 24lbs injectors an adjustable fuel pressure regulator and upgrade the fuel pump to a 255lph. i know you are trying to keep this under a buget but as some folks have said before holley systemax or the tf street heat and for heads tf or afr's (i have gt40's and the cobra intake, adj fpr, 70mm tb, cai, bassani or x and catback. tuned with an sct chip and made 258rwhp and 304rwtq my timing is @ 14 and i have the stock headers) i have seen where the gt40 intakes and heads have kissed 300 to the wheels i believe they were ported and they were cammed at this point i can't recall what cams were used. but the tf's and afr's along with the intakes that others in this thread have mentioned and the lil ol e cam will get you there with out the port work.

I do believe he is right, the car is a Frankenstein car...

[KC_StangDSG]

Sweet thanks for the info man.