Car Talk

[Masshole]

i figured i make a thread where we all can talk cars or smack about cars. its a nice general thread where the moderator's cant say " hey guys.. try to stay on topic ok". its open to any car, not just Fords or Mustangs.

now i'll start by sayin that im a fan of the new WRX STi. you throw a nice exhaust and a downpipe, and u have urself a sweet sounding "ricer". now im sorry but, id take an STi over alotta other cars in its price range like the Camaro, GTO and even the Mustang GT. why?? cuz u cant beat dumpin the clutch at 5k and just launching off like a rocket. yea it might be a 4 cylinder, but with the right mods.... it will eat up a good amount of cars on the street. and another car i like as well is the Lancer EVO. all tho its a toss up on wat id rather have between the STi and the EVO.

[Kawasaki king 2006]

see me im more of a pass you at 160 at the 1000 ft mark type person :D but yea im a motorcycle type i love having 60 MPG and the ability to go 0-60 in 4 seconds or less

[Dirty_SOHC]

Moved this to the talk about any car section for ya Dean. :mick:

Oh and there is no reason to spend all that money onan EV or STi when you can buy a first gen DSM car and with the right mods smoke anything on the street for half the money.

[Masshole]

Moved this to the talk about any car section for ya Dean. :mick:

Oh and there is no reason to spend all that money onan EV or STi when you can buy a first gen DSM car and with the right mods smoke anything on the street for half the money.

i just figured i had put it in the best place, but this section works too :mick: .

now when u talk about DSM.... u talkin bout the Eclipse/Talon? or am i not tuned in the "ricer" scene enough? :lol:

[Dirty_SOHC]

I had a '90 Talon TSi AWD, 20g turbo, 3 inch turbo back exhaust, FMI, GM MAF, custom tuned at 20 psi. It was a high 11 second daily driver that knocked down almost 30 mpg as long as I stayed out the boost.

[Masshole]

I had a '90 Talon TSi AWD, 20g turbo, 3 inch turbo back exhaust, FMI, GM MAF, custom tuned at 20 psi. It was a high 11 second daily driver that knocked down almost 30 mpg as long as I stayed out the boost.

the EVO is the same thing as the AWD eclipse's and talon's just alot newer. so of course its cheaper to do up a DSM, there cheaper and easier to find.

20 psi is kinda lower compared to wat ive seen ppl push. ive seen 20 psi out of the stock turbo..... but wats funny is the EVO runs stock at 19 and them DSM's ran at 9 stock i belive. and extra 10 psi and only a 70hp increase?? i seen in a mag they had and EVO with 52 psi makin over 900+ at the wheels. :lol:

[Dirty_SOHC]

the EVO is the same thing as the AWD eclipse's and talon's just alot newer. so of course its cheaper to do up a DSM, there cheaper and easier to find.

20 psi is kinda lower compared to wat ive seen ppl push. ive seen 20 psi out of the stock turbo..... but wats funny is the EVO runs stock at 19 and them DSM's ran at 9 stock i belive. and extra 10 psi and only a 70hp increase?? i seen in a mag they had and EVO with 52 psi makin over 900+ at the wheels. :lol:

When I bought my Talon, it had 194k miles, we ran a compression test and a leak down test and constantly monitored oil pressure. The we decided to strat modifying it slowly to see how it reacted. When we did the turbo upgrade, we used a tubular manifold, at the time the car had 204k on the clock so we used an electronic boost controller and limited the boost to 20 psi just to be safe, we you would stand on it the boost would spike around 25 psi and then settle back down to 20 psi. The car served it's purpose for another 50k miles when I sold it to a friend that is still driving it just as I sold it him, he sent me an email a coupe months ago to let me know the car racked over 300k miles. It broke the 300k mark while making an 11.88 pass down the quarter.

[88GT]

Any car is faster if its yellow.
YELLOW RULES :pianodan

[MarcInJapan]

the one car I would not be caught dead in...A Miata.

[baby_girl06]

see me im more of a pass you at 160 at the 1000 ft mark type person :D but yea im a motorcycle type i love having 60 MPG and the ability to go 0-60 in 4 seconds or less
:+1: I love bikes. That feeling going that fast that quick with that air blowing is so sweet :drool: :drool: :drool:

Don't get me wrong I love my car but you just can't bet riding a bike plus the gas mileage :D

[Macs01GT]

the one car I would not be caught dead in...A Miata.
I've thought about buying one!

[baby_girl06]

I've thought about buying one!
noooo Greg :lol: j/p

They are pretty nice from the inside my friends husband has one. I am not to much of a fan on how they look from the outside though. But thats just me :D

[FrEvrNLv]

I've thought about buying one!

Are you serious? Miata's are more MY size than YOURS, Greg ... not that I'd want one, but anyway.

[88GT]

Are you serious? Miata's are more MY size than YOURS, Greg ... not that I'd want one, but anyway.
your too short for a Miata :lol:

[FrEvrNLv]

your too short for a Miata :lol:

:rolleyes: WTF?! That just ain't right, Darren. :lol:

[88GT]

:rolleyes: WTF?! That just ain't right, Darren. :lol:
were supposed to talk smack in this thread. :mick:
YELLOW RULES :pianodance
My car is the fastest :woot:

[BlKvNm]

the one car I would not be caught dead in...A Miata.
well said!!!!

[speedfreak87]

the one car I would not be caught dead in...A Miata.


Why not?? you can throw those cars around like no tomorrow.. and the new ones don't look as bad as the first gen do... Let me see if I can find the pic from the first mazda zoom zoom challenge I did.... First I flew down to Florida for it, and then I did it again a couple weeks later when it came to NJ.. I did another one last year also, but they didn't have it this year..

[spankmaster]

I was thinking of buying a mazda speed 6. AWD Turbo and made at the same factory as the mustang. :marc: makes me wonder where the hell is the AWD turbo Fusion AT. Ford are you listening.

Yellow always makes your car faster. Even if it is almost 40 years old.

[Masshole]

the one car I would not be caught dead in...A Miata.

id rather drive a Miata then a VW Beetle!!!!!! thats 1 car id never drive. :lol:

[ttowndex]

the EVO is the same thing as the AWD eclipse's and talon's just alot newer. so of course its cheaper to do up a DSM, there cheaper and easier to find.

20 psi is kinda lower compared to wat ive seen ppl push. ive seen 20 psi out of the stock turbo..... but wats funny is the EVO runs stock at 19 and them DSM's ran at 9 stock i belive. and extra 10 psi and only a 70hp increase?? i seen in a mag they had and EVO with 52 psi makin over 900+ at the wheels. :lol:

You have a lot to learn about Mitsubishi's.....LOL
The cars known as DSM's were the Eclipse, Talon, and Laser. DSM was Diamond Star Motors, a joint venture of Chrysler and Mitsubishi. They came in all sorts of layouts, from slow fwd to turbo awd. The turbo ones can be made stupid fast relatively cheaply, but they do have their own unique issues.
The EVO is a souped up Lancer. All it has in common with a DSM is the base engine (4G64 DOHC).
The boost difference depends on the turbo. As a general rule, the bigger the turbo, the lower the boost will be, to a point. In the DSM world, a 14b (smallish, stock) turbo might might be capable of running up to 20psi efficiently. You could put on a larger turbo, like a 20g or GT35R, and make more power with 10psi than the 14b would at 20....
What you can realistically run, and still be efficient, depends on the turbo size and your supporting mods. There is a point where a turbo is at its peak, and will actually begin to lose power as the boost goes higher....
I spent the last 10 years or so building turbo Mitsubishis, if you can't tell.... :woot:

[Masshole]

You have a lot to learn about Mitsubishi's.....LOL
The cars known as DSM's were the Eclipse, Talon, and Laser. DSM was Diamond Star Motors, a joint venture of Chrysler and Mitsubishi. They came in all sorts of layouts, from slow fwd to turbo awd. The turbo ones can be made stupid fast relatively cheaply, but they do have their own unique issues.
The EVO is a souped up Lancer. All it has in common with a DSM is the base engine (4G64 DOHC).
The boost difference depends on the turbo. As a general rule, the bigger the turbo, the lower the boost will be, to a point. In the DSM world, a 14b (smallish, stock) turbo might might be capable of running up to 20psi efficiently. You could put on a larger turbo, like a 20g or GT35R, and make more power with 10psi than the 14b would at 20....
What you can realistically run, and still be efficient, depends on the turbo size and your supporting mods. There is a point where a turbo is at its peak, and will actually begin to lose power as the boost goes higher....
I spent the last 10 years or so building turbo Mitsubishis, if you can't tell.... :woot:

i just never knew wat DSM stood for. and i know all about Chrylser and Mitsubishi teaming up, they did on alota cars. i worked at a Chylser dealership. the Conquest/Starion, Stealth/3000GT and even the older Averger V6 engine came from Mitsubishi.

and when i referred to the EVO and the eclipse been the same, i was reffering to the engine.

well technically the EVO is a souped up Lancer.... but not really. its like saying the SRT-4 is a souped up Neon, but.... not really. :lol:. the owner manuels for the EVO and the SRT-4 are not even the same as the Lancer and Neon's manuel. there 100% different. well i kno the SRT and Neon's are'nt the same, i kno ppl that have SRT-4's. never seen a manuel for either the EVO or the Lancer.

[ttowndex]

i just never knew wat DSM stood for. and i know all about Chrylser and Mitsubishi teaming up, they did on alota cars. i worked at a Chylser dealership. the Conquest/Starion, Stealth/3000GT and even the older Averger V6 engine came from Mitsubishi.

and when i referred to the EVO and the eclipse been the same, i was reffering to the engine.

well technically the EVO is a souped up Lancer.... but not really. its like saying the SRT-4 is a souped up Neon, but.... not really. :lol:. the owner manuels for the EVO and the SRT-4 are not even the same as the Lancer and Neon's manuel. there 100% different. well i kno the SRT and Neon's are'nt the same, i kno ppl that have SRT-4's. never seen a manuel for either the EVO or the Lancer.

Yep...I spent most of my time and effort on Conquest/Starions, with a few DSM's and a Supra turbo thrown in for good measure....
The EVO and SRT-4 are representations of what the maker thought the performance community would do with those cars.....but at the end of the day, it's still just a Lancer and a Neon.... :lmao1: all the SRT's I've seen have Neon wrote on them somewhere.....tho I can see the allure of the type of car...you can fit the family in, get good gas mileage, and still have fun....a good mixture overall
Dodge/Chrysler used a lot of Mitsu engines in the 80's too....the 2.6 in ram 50's, caravans, k cars, etc....turbo version in the Starion/Conquest.....Then they split the Starion/Conquest line into the DSM's on one side and the 3000GT/Stealths on the other.....
Here's my old ride....
http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h191/ttowndex/yellow%20quest/tylerquest.jpg
And YES, it DID go faster because it was YELLOW!! :happydanc

[Masshole]

all the SRT's I've seen have Neon wrote on them somewhere.....

well idk wat SRT-4's u've been lookin at... but nowhere on the car, in the car or in the owners manuel does it mention anything about it being a Neon. my dad had an 04 and we both read the manuel, every single page and it never mentioned it being a Neon. only on the registarion and the insurance papers does it get called a Neon. not even on the papers he signed when bought it new did it say "Neon". its called the Dodge SRT-4. not the Neon SRT-4 or the SRT-4 Neon.

u may kno more bout DSM's then me, but i kno i kno more bout the SRT's then u.

[ttowndex]

well idk wat SRT-4's u've been lookin at... but nowhere on the car, in the car or in the owners manuel does it mention anything about it being a Neon. my dad had an 04 and we both read the manuel, every single page and it never mentioned it being a Neon. only on the registarion and the insurance papers does it get called a Neon. not even on the papers he signed when bought it new did it say "Neon". its called the Dodge SRT-4. not the Neon SRT-4 or the SRT-4 Neon.

u may kno more bout DSM's then me, but i kno i kno more bout the SRT's then u.

I believe you.....I do know when I looked at one last year the MSRP window sticker said "Neon SRT-4"....I don't remember any other reference on the car....one of my friends had an 03 and it had a neon badge on the dash....it could have been something he added, tho, and not stock....
I liked the performance of the one I was looking at, but not the ride quality....the interior, seats and such seemed cheap....so I ended up with a Mustang GT premium :snicker:

[Masshole]

I believe you.....I do know when I looked at one last year the MSRP window sticker said "Neon SRT-4"....I don't remember any other reference on the car....one of my friends had an 03 and it had a neon badge on the dash....it could have been something he added, tho, and not stock....
I liked the performance of the one I was looking at, but not the ride quality....the interior, seats and such seemed cheap....so I ended up with a Mustang GT premium :snicker:

i dont recall seeing it on the window sticker. and as for the badge on the dash??.... i have never been in a 03. only 04 and 05. but in the 04 and 05 it doesnt have that badge. and as for the seats. they came with 2 different seats. if u got side airbags u got different seats then the 1's w/o. and the 1's w/o came with Viper style seats. the Viper style seats are very nice and comfortable. nice n snug to the body. but wat do u want out of a 20k car?? its purpose was performance and not ergonomics and ride quality.

[spankmaster]

RICE SUCKS NO MATER HOW YOU COOK IT. :D

[Masshole]

RICE SUCKS NO MATER HOW YOU COOK IT. :D

:snooze:

[Macs01GT]

Are you serious? Miata's are more MY size than YOURS, Greg ... not that I'd want one, but anyway.
I've driven a Mazdaspeed Miata and it was a blast, And I fit perfectly. It would be my 5th car.

[Dirty_SOHC]

You can bolt a turbo on anything these. The SRT-4 no matter how you slice it is still a freakin neon. So what if it doesn't say neon on it, it's stilla neon. You can polish a turd but in the end it's still a turd.

[Masshole]

You can bolt a turbo on anything these. The SRT-4 no matter how you slice it is still a freakin neon. So what if it doesn't say neon on it, it's stilla neon. You can polish a turd but in the end it's still a turd.


well the SRT and the Neon dont run the same engine. well actually it is but the SRT has a bigger crank to handle all the extra power. makin it a 2.4L instead of the 2.0L.

and idc... the SRT-4 is a badass FWD car man. show me any other FWD car out there on the market that better performance wise??? even the the SRT-4 is'nt made anymore. it will makes its return as the Calibur SRT-4 later this year.

[cracker]

Yellow cars FTW :mick: Miatas are awesome for the track/autocrossing and such. I dont think i would ever own one as a street car. One of the main reasons is how small it is, with todays massive american cars and suvs your gonna lose if you get into an accident with anything else on the road short of a moped (felt the same way in my CRX) and 2 im a guy and i wont be caught dead saying i drive a miata lol.

And Deans89LXnotch are you talking about the 08 (or 09 depending on who you ask) STI? Im not a fan of it. Why would they make it only available in a hatch model? They should make it available in a 4 door the wagon and the hatch, let the customer pick. I think Subys styling has gone downhill since the Bugeye but the newest version is horrible looking. I dont mind the last front end they had on there but it certainly isnt an 02-03 bugeye. Those cars are sexy :gt4her:

[Masshole]

Yellow cars FTW :mick: Miatas are awesome for the track/autocrossing and such. I dont think i would ever own one as a street car. One of the main reasons is how small it is, with todays massive american cars and suvs your gonna lose if you get into an accident with anything else on the road short of a moped (felt the same way in my CRX) and 2 im a guy and i wont be caught dead saying i drive a miata lol.

And Deans89LXnotch are you talking about the 08 (or 09 depending on who you ask) STI? Im not a fan of it. Why would they make it only available in a hatch model? They should make it available in a 4 door the wagon and the hatch, let the customer pick. I think Subys styling has gone downhill since the Bugeye but the newest version is horrible looking. I dont mind the last front end they had on there but it certainly isnt an 02-03 bugeye. Those cars are sexy :gt4her:

when i referred to the new STi, i was talkin more just 04 and up. now the new 08 front end is a lil tough gettin use to. then again... i didnt like the 99 Mustang when it came out. but i grew to love it.
and FTR.... its not a "hatch". that has a trunk :lol:

[cracker]

They consider that a trunk?

http://www.subaru-impreza.it/wp-content/uploads/2007/02/impreza-sti-2008.jpg


http://blogs.edmunds.com/.ee9c4d6/cmd.233/enclosure..ee9c4d7

http://blogs.edmunds.com/.ee9c4d9/cmd.233/enclosure..ee9c4da

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That looks a heck of a lot more like a hatch to me. Its like a bad (not good bad either) 4 door Focus :lol:

But yes regardless of how the new one looks the STI is awesome. I wish i had one of any year.

[MarcInJapan]

Why not?? you can throw those cars around like no tomorrow.. and the new ones don't look as bad as the first gen do... Let me see if I can find the pic from the first mazda zoom zoom challenge I did.... First I flew down to Florida for it, and then I did it again a couple weeks later when it came to NJ.. I did another one last year also, but they didn't have it this year..

The only way I would ever drive a Miata if it was a Monster Miata edition. I think some company was putting beefed up 5.0s in those things.

I don't know...they just look to femine to me. I see one and say, "Ahhhh...how cute!" :lol: :lol: :lol:

[Masshole]

They consider that a trunk?

http://www.subaru-impreza.it/wp-content/uploads/2007/02/impreza-sti-2008.jpg


http://blogs.edmunds.com/.ee9c4d6/cmd.233/enclosure..ee9c4d7

http://blogs.edmunds.com/.ee9c4d9/cmd.233/enclosure..ee9c4da

http://blogs.edmunds.com/.ee9c4dc/cmd.233/enclosure..ee9c4dd

That looks a heck of a lot more like a hatch to me. Its like a bad (not good bad either) 4 door Focus :lol:

But yes regardless of how the new one looks the STI is awesome. I wish i had one of any year.


idk... never seen a 08 or 09. i only kno wat the 07's look like and it dont look like that.

[cracker]

Yeah thats gonna be the next generation STI. I wonder how well its gonna sell. The current one isnt bad at all i wish i had one. Im sure if i got rid of my 95 i could easily have one, but i get my kicks with the rally car its got about the same HP anyway.

[Masshole]

Yeah thats gonna be the next generation STI. I wonder how well its gonna sell. The current one isnt bad at all i wish i had one. Im sure if i got rid of my 95 i could easily have one, but i get my kicks with the rally car its got about the same HP anyway.
on my way home from dinner, we stopped at a Subaru dealership and i seen the new 1's. there nice.

[Masshole]

but i wonder how the new EVO will sell tho???? its alot different now.

[MarcInJapan]

They have a crap load of those WRXs and EVOs out here. Some of them are pretty nice.

[Kawasaki king 2006]

if i had a car it would be a civic CRX that looked ohh..........


kinda like this

http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g268/kawasaki1992003/190305_223.gif

[Masshole]

if i had a car it would be a civic CRX that looked ohh..........


kinda like this

http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g268/kawasaki1992003/190305_223.gif

:lmao1: :lmao1: :lmao1: :lmao1: wtf is that???!!!!! :lmao1: :lmao1: :lmao1: omg... now thats funny :lol:

[spankmaster]

[QUOTE=shudahadav8]You can bolt a turbo on anything these. The SRT-4 no matter how you slice it is still a freakin neon. So what if it doesn't say neon on it, it's stilla neon. You can polish a turd but in the end it's still a turd.[/QU

couldn't have said it better.


YOu know you like that civic.

[Masshole]

You can bolt a turbo on anything these. The SRT-4 no matter how you slice it is still a freakin neon. So what if it doesn't say neon on it, it's stilla neon. You can polish a turd but in the end it's still a turd.

couldn't have said it better.


YOu know you like that civic.


first off.... that aint even a Civic

[jcp123]

first off.... that aint even a Civic

What is it? It looks a bit like a Peugeot, but hard to tell with all the rice-out crap on it.

[Masshole]

What is it? It looks a bit like a Peugeot, but hard to tell with all the rice-out crap on it.

actually.. i personally dont know. lmao. but if i had to guess i would argee with you that i does look like a peugeot tho. its def something euro.

[Mysticalsnake]

I might guess a Fiat if it's not a peugeot

and despite his banned-ness i agree that the Mazdaspeed6 is a great all around car. Has a more luxurious feel than an STi or an EVO. The only real problem any of us owners have with 'em is they're overweight and there's some tuning problems we're having as Mazda has terrible freaking logic with they ECU's

[Masshole]

I might guess a Fiat if it's not a peugeot

and despite his banned-ness i agree that the Mazdaspeed6 is a great all around car. Has a more luxurious feel than an STi or an EVO. The only real problem any of us owners have with 'em is they're overweight and there's some tuning problems we're having as Mazda has terrible freaking logic with they ECU's

its deff something European.... still ugly as sin tho. the Mazdaspeed 6 is a really nice car, but its weight is its major downfall. its cant compete with the STi or the Evo. its like with the R32, its weight is its biggest downfall.

you want a good comparision... take the Mazdaspeed 3 vs the SRT4(Neon).

[jcp123]

you want a good comparision... take the Mazdaspeed 3 vs the SRT4(Neon).

+1. If they made them an an el-strippo model (power accessory delete, etc.), I might actually consider one. Sadly, there aren't enough el-strippo model fans who'd actually buy one to make them financially fesible for automakers to equip 'em that way :(

[01stage3]

Rice-A-Roni The San Francisco Treat.........

[Masshole]

i kno of an SRT4 that'll toast your Roush :snicker:

[01stage3]

In your dreams, bicycle boy.........j/k

I bet I can find a Roush that will toast anything ever made by Chrysalot Motor Company

[MarcInJapan]

Roush>SRT4

[01stage3]

If it can, i would bet it aint the way it was when it left the dealership. Mine is. And we can always go play on the twisties and see who can stay on the road at 160.

[Masshole]

If it can, i would bet it aint the way it was when it left the dealership. Mine is. And we can always go play on the twisties and see who can stay on the road at 160.

its a 14 flat car from the factory... whats yours??? now add to the mix over 500+ to the wheels... and yes it has a full aftermarket suspension. so i see no prob hitting 160 and staying with you or even most cars for that matter since you can find this guy at lime rock raceway in connecticut countless times a year.


but w/e tho :marc:

[Masshole]

In your dreams, bicycle boy.........j/k

I bet I can find a Roush that will toast anything ever made by Chrysalot Motor Company

roush vs viper??? ummmm no.

[Ghost Stang]

the Roush is pretty fast but viper might have 'em

[ttowndex]

I'm bettin this Roush could hang with the Viper.....
http://www.roushperformance.com/mustang_p51.shtml

[Mysticalsnake]

i know skittles may be 14.xxx cars from the factory...but what're the odds that you can find more than a handful of drivers who are good enough who own them to actually run that fast off the parking lot?

[Masshole]

the Roush is pretty fast but viper might have 'em

might??? MIGHT???? :darren

I'm bettin this Roush could hang with the Viper.....
http://www.roushperformance.com/mustang_p51.shtml

ummmmm..... yea it may keep up with it till bout 40 and then the Viper starts pulling away.

i know skittles may be 14.xxx cars from the factory...but what're the odds that you can find more than a handful of drivers who are good enough who own them to actually run that fast off the parking lot?

yes you do need to have a talent to get that car to do what it is supposed too.

[ttowndex]

might??? MIGHT???? :darren



ummmmm..... yea it may keep up with it till bout 40 and then the Viper starts pulling away.



yes you do need to have a talent to get that car to do what it is supposed too.

You may not want to go there.....MM&FF ran 12.20s in a Roush 427R with an automatic, and the P51 is oh-so-much-more capable than the 427R (at least 80HP more, over 100RWTQ more, better suspension, etc).....
Stock Vipers run around 11.7, as tested by Auto Mags, so I don't think it's unrealistic to expect the P51 would be able to keep pace with a Viper (too bad I couldn't find test data for the 51).

[ttowndex]

Now, if you throw a c6 Z06 into the mix, neither the Viper nor the Roush stand a chance......:(

[01stage3]

I don't think a viper is going to run away from the 510 hp P-51. It may beat it, but it aint gonna run away from it. And isn't there a difference in price? For the same money I bet the results would change. As far as a z06, same goes.

[Masshole]

You may not want to go there.....MM&FF ran 12.20s in a Roush 427R with an automatic, and the P51 is oh-so-much-more capable than the 427R (at least 80HP more, over 100RWTQ more, better suspension, etc).....
Stock Vipers run around 11.7, as tested by Auto Mags, so I don't think it's unrealistic to expect the P51 would be able to keep pace with a Viper (too bad I couldn't find test data for the 51).

0-60 might be close..... 1/4 mile the viper has the upper hand and then once we go for top speed..... Viper FTW!!!


now yes the Z06 is better then both. wont argue that point at all.


but remember this..... the P51 is an aftermarket specialty car, the viper isnt. :mick:

[01stage3]

The viper might as well be one. It is aimed at a small specific group. And costs a lot more.

[Masshole]

the P51 has to be a 60k car and the viper is an 80k whip. the Z06 is like 70k.

[01stage3]

te P51s I saw at Grand Prairie Ford were 62k. I would imagine that for another 18-20k I could make a p-51 smoke any Viper out there that hasnt had even more money put in it. Or for 10k it would definitely hang with the Z06 in most categories. Its like comparing a Fusion to a hemi Charger. You get what you pay for. And I would pay for the P-51 before a Viper or a Z06.

[Masshole]

and now talk into affect the gawk factory. id get more of a chub seeing a viper then a Z06. Z06's do nothing for me.

[01stage3]

They are nice looking, but they look like a girls car to me. Th 51 just says " mess with me and I'll kick your ass"

[Masshole]

maybe to you casue you are a Roush owner. to me, it just says "hey look im a mustang with a fancy name" :lol:

[01stage3]

Go look at one in person. You will change your mind. Or a Trakpak. They give the impression of a Stang on steroids. And read the list of mods on them. About the only thing they have in common with a stock Stang is the name and the shell.

[Masshole]

i seen the list.... i posted the article about it on here myself. i stopped liking the Roush's after 04.

[01stage3]

I'm not crazy about the new body style myself, but I would definitely drive a 51, Blackjack, or a Trakpak. Or a 428R. Black of course.

[strokin94]

i would definitely take a GT500 over that roush. the base price of the new GT500 is only 44k. now with 36 grand to work with you could make just about any viper on the road your *****. i mean for like a grand you can get more than 600hp out of the GT500. oh, the possibilities....

[Turbo96]

how much to port a blower? the only way you can do 600hp with $1k is port, pulley, and tune. unless you use nitrous.

[Masshole]

how much to port a blower? the only way you can do 600hp with $1k is port, pulley, and tune. unless you use nitrous.

a simple pully swap and a good tune would get a GT500 over 600hp

[Turbo96]

hmm, i thought they dynoed at 465-470 stock???? unless you use a 1/8" pulley or something :hugo:

[EATON LSX]

why waste your money on any of them. the terminator is the way to go. in the cost takes just to buy a GT500 or 427R you can have an easily 10 sec car.

[Turbo96]

whipple 3.4 = around $3800 which = 10 sec car :marc:

[EATON LSX]

hmm, i thought they dynoed at 465-470 stock???? unless you use a 1/8" pulley or something :hugo:

that sounds about right for Ford's crappy drivetrain loss

[EATON LSX]

whipple 3.4 = around $3800 which = 10 sec car :marc:

+ all supporting mods your lookin around 10K total. but why settle for a 3.4 when you can go for a 4.5 whipple

[Turbo96]

that sounds about right for Ford's crappy drivetrain loss

i thought that's what they dynoed. don't know how you can get 130+hp out of a pulley. ?????????

[Turbo96]

i thought 4.5 was only for GT500?

[EATON LSX]

i thought 4.5 was only for GT500?

hold on ill look for the thread.

[EATON LSX]

i thought that's what they dynoed. don't know how you can get 130+hp out of a pulley. ?????????

pulley+tune+JLT intake you could but it would be a small pulley

[Masshole]

hmm, i thought they dynoed at 465-470 stock???? unless you use a 1/8" pulley or something :hugo:

i was reffering to flywheel HP :P

[Turbo96]

they have more potential than 03/04 cobra then. i haven't really seen 500+hp with pulley and tune on one. i see 500+ with port, pulley, and tune

[EATON LSX]

they have more potential than 03/04 cobra then. i haven't really seen 500+hp with pulley and tune on one. i see 500+ with port, pulley, and tune

110 octane son make 9000000000000000000000000000rw hp

[Masshole]

im talking about a GT500 guys, not a termie :lol:

[EATON LSX]

im talking about a GT500 guys, not a termie :lol:

he who has no car can not talk cars with people who have cars.

Proverb 110

[Masshole]

he who has no car can not talk cars with people who have cars.

Proverb 110

oh im sorry almighty master frank :bowing:

[Turbo96]

lets talk bicycles then! :hugo:

[EATON LSX]

oh im sorry almighty master frank :bowing:

you should be. now go play with scooter in the non drivers section. :D

[strokin94]

yea the GT500 has much more power potential than the termi, and its in reality not that much more expensive, considering a nice termi with decent mileage bone stock now is like 33 grand still. another 11 grand and u get a GT500. worth it if u ask me

[EATON LSX]

yea the GT500 has much more power potential than the termi, and its in reality not that much more expensive, considering a nice termi with decent mileage bone stock now is like 33 grand still. another 11 grand and u get a GT500. worth it if u ask me

your out your mind stock for stock the GT500 isnt much better then the Terminator

[Turbo96]

GT500 sucks more on corners and is alittle heavier. plus i like the sound of a 4.6 4v more than a 5.4 4v

[Masshole]

you should be. now go play with scooter in the non drivers section. :D

and yet your on a MUSTANG FORUM and dont own one ???? :rotfl: :happydanc :wink: :dean:



:dean1:

[EATON LSX]

lets talk bicycles then! :hugo:

http://www.unitedstangs.com/forums/showthread.php?p=519520#post51 9520

done lol

[Masshole]

:lol:

[strokin94]

your out your mind stock for stock the GT500 isnt much better then the Terminator

right, but its way easier to make power out of the GT500, considering most of the stock parts on it are ****ty anyway. Can you make 100 hp on just an intake, pulley, and tune on a termi? i dont think so.

[EATON LSX]

GT500 sucks more on corners and is alittle heavier. plus i like the sound of a 4.6 4v more than a 5.4 4v
and i have a huge problem with paying more then 30K for a mustang
and yet your on a MUSTANG FORUM and dont own one ???? :rotfl: :happydanc :wink: :dean:



:dean1:
but i can drive one legally whenever i feel like it.

[Masshole]

but i can drive one legally whenever i feel like it.

i do drive one.... i just dont have a valid license :nanana:

[EATON LSX]

right, but its way easier to make power out of the GT500, considering most of the stock parts on it are ****ty anyway. Can you make 100 hp on just an intake, pulley, and tune on a termi? i dont think so.

but it weights 1k more so your point is void. wow im typing pretty good for being drunk

[EATON LSX]

i do drive one.... i just dont have a valid license :nanana:

you get pulled over you goto jail and get a ticket. i get pulled over i get a ticket and a have a nice day.

[strokin94]

not really, it weighs 600 lbs more. the GT500 weighs 3885 and the 03 cobra weighs a touch over 3200 if i remember correctly

[Turbo96]

:lol: wait til you need a license to ride a bike

[Turbo96]

GT500s only run alittle faster in the 1/4 than a cobra stock for stock

[Masshole]

you get pulled over you goto jail and get a ticket. i get pulled over i get a ticket and a have a nice day.

i dont get pulled over, and even if i did... i'll be out in an hour or 2. no biggie to me. :lol:


i just dont drive in my own hometown, all the cops kno i dont have a license :hide:

[EATON LSX]

not really, it weighs 600 lbs more. the GT500 weighs 3885 and the 03 cobra weighs a touch over 3200 if i remember correctly
plus your average male driver and fuel its 1k more
:lol: wait til you need a license to ride a bike
then he'll be walking from Mass to RI. that would suck

[strokin94]

GT500s only run alittle faster in the 1/4 than a cobra stock for stock

yea, but like i said before its WAY easier to make power out of a GT500. and its a god damn GT500. im pretty sure i'd rather have that than a cobra personally

[EATON LSX]

GT500s only run alittle faster in the 1/4 than a cobra stock for stock
a couple tenths isnt worth the money and that straight axle wheel hops more then the IRS in the terminators
i dont get pulled over, and even if i did... i'll be out in an hour or 2. no biggie to me. :lol:


i just dont drive in my own hometown, all the cops kno i dont have a license :hide:

my point

[EATON LSX]

yea, but like i said before its WAY easier to make power out of a GT500. and its a god damn GT500. im pretty sure i'd rather have that than a cobra personally

your nuts there not worth the money at all. i know people that "upgraded" and they regret it. the only thing that would have made the terminator perfect would have been a straight axle.

[strokin94]

o personally id rather have a GT500 lookalike with a 427 stroker in it, but im just saying as they were discussing comparing the roush P51 and the Viper and the Z06, so i said the GT500 would be the best of the 3, because its so much cheaper and has more power potential than all 3

[EATON LSX]

o personally id rather have a GT500 lookalike with a 427 stroker in it, but im just saying as they were discussing comparing the roush P51 and the Viper and the Z06, so i said the GT500 would be the best of the 3, because its so much cheaper and has more power potential than all 3

you do know the z06 has almost no drivetrain lose. its puts do some wherein the 480s for stock hp


holy crap typing is gettin hard

[EATON LSX]

VIPERS=SPS if you cant figure that out pm me

[FoxracerMenace]

lets talk bicycles then! :hugo:

:pointlaff

[SVT Rob]

you do know the z06 has almost no drivetrain lose. its puts do some wherein the 480s for stock hp

That's because GM's LSx engines are designed to make power. If Ford would make an engine with 10.5:1 compression, it would make more power than it currently does. From '01 up, the LSx series of engines have been putting down pretty close to what GM says they are rated at (Watched a showroom stock 01 T/A dyno 317rwhp, GM rated it at 320bhp). Who knows what "standard" GM is using? The 03-04 Cobra's are the same in that aspect.

There is drivetrain loss, GM just underrated their engine :mick:

[EATON LSX]

That's because GM's LSx engines are designed to make power. If Ford would make an engine with 10.5:1 compression, it would make more power than it currently does. From '01 up, the LSx series of engines have been putting down pretty close to what GM says they are rated at (Watched a showroom stock 01 T/A dyno 317rwhp, GM rated it at 320bhp). Who knows what "standard" GM is using? The 03-04 Cobra's are the same in that aspect.

There is drivetrain loss, GM just underrated their engine :mick:

its not that GM underrates thats there cars. its that they dont update the power when they make changes to the motor.

here is a basic break up down of LS1
97-99= all LS1 parts
00=LS6 block everything else LS1
01-04= LS6 block and intake manifold everything else LS1

its a proven fast that stock for stock a 02 Z28 is faster and more powerful then a 98 Z28

[ttowndex]

plus your average male driver and fuel its 1k more

then he'll be walking from Mass to RI. that would suck

the cobra would also have the weight of the driver and fuel so it would NOT be 1k more, just to be fair......:wave:

[SVT Rob]

its not that GM underrates thats there cars. its that they dont update the power when they make changes to the motor.

here is a basic break up down of LS1
97-99= all LS1 parts
00=LS6 block everything else LS1
01-04= LS6 block and intake manifold everything else LS1

its a proven fast that stock for stock a 02 Z28 is faster and more powerful then a 98 Z28

That's understandable, and Ford did the same things with the fox body mustangs. Rated at 225hp from 87-91, then 92 and 93 were rated at 215hp, even though minor changes every year was causing the power to fluctuate, before it reached it's final standing.

About the only MAJOR difference between the LS1 and LS6 is the cam and intake, possibly different PCM tuning. Everything else is the same. The Z06 had a larger MAF, and the Z06 is primarily what the LS6 was destined for. GM decided to put the Camaro and Firebird out to pasture with a bang, and did a pretty damn good job of it.

It's a proven fact that stock for stock an 87 Mustang LX coupe with 5.0 is faster than an 90 Mustang LX coupe with 5.0, even though they are rated the same HP, one is speed density, and one is mass air, and that changed Fords hp rating, even though they didn't mention it.

[sdavis2702]

How did I not find this thread a long time ago

[Masshole]

:dunno: its been here forever :lol:

[FoxracerMenace]

Well hes not all over the place like you are dean.

[EATON LSX]

About the only MAJOR difference between the LS1 and LS6 is the cam and intake, possibly different PCM tuning. Everything else is the same. The Z06 had a larger MAF, and the Z06 is primarily what the LS6 was destined for. GM decided to put the Camaro and Firebird out to pasture with a bang, and did a pretty damn good job of it.

no its a completely different motor. the LS6 uses 243 heads and the LS1 uses 241 heads

Casting Number 241
Head: 1997+ LS1 5.7 Litre Passenger Car
Material: Aluminimum
Part Number:
12559853 (1997-98)
12559853 (1999-00) (not sure why same PN)
12564241 (2001-03)
Combustion Chamber Volume: 66.67cc
Compression Ratio: 10.1:1
Intake Port Volume: 200cc
Exhaust Port Volume: 70cc
Intake Valve Diameter: 2.00 inches
Exhaust Valve Diameter: 1.55 inches


Casting Number 243
Head: 2001 LS6 5.7 Litre Passenger Car
Material: Aluminimum
Part Number:
12564243
Combustion Chamber Volume: 64.45cc
Compression Ratio: 10.5:1
Intake Port Volume: 210cc
Exhaust Port Volume: 75cc
Intake Valve Diameter: 2.00 inches
Exhaust Valve Diameter: 1.55 inches


along with a different cam and other parts

[Turbo96]

no its a completely different motor. the LS6 uses 243 heads and the LS1 uses 241 heads

Casting Number 241
Head: 1997+ LS1 5.7 Litre Passenger Car
Material: Aluminimum
Part Number:
12559853 (1997-98)
12559853 (1999-00) (not sure why same PN)
12564241 (2001-03)
Combustion Chamber Volume: 66.67cc
Compression Ratio: 10.1:1
Intake Port Volume: 200cc
Exhaust Port Volume: 70cc
Intake Valve Diameter: 2.00 inches
Exhaust Valve Diameter: 1.55 inches


Casting Number 243
Head: 2001 LS6 5.7 Litre Passenger Car
Material: Aluminimum
Part Number:
12564243
Combustion Chamber Volume: 64.45cc
Compression Ratio: 10.5:1
Intake Port Volume: 210cc
Exhaust Port Volume: 75cc
Intake Valve Diameter: 2.00 inches
Exhaust Valve Diameter: 1.55 inches


along with a different cam and other parts


just get in it and drive it :wink: